Tune in on September 7, 2013 @10pm EST as Tim Harris discusses the real Holy Catholic Church and our duty to it.
- Which protestant churches are formally legit and which are dead branches?
- What makes one legit: proper succession, orders, “marks” of the church
- The process of leaving a church: (i.e., elders being booted out for gospel orthodoxy)
- What is are duty to a corrupt, valid church?
- Was Protestantism a Jewish revolution/subversion?
- Is Eastern Orthodox part of the HCC?
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This is excellent. I hope to listen to it over again a few times.
I really wish I could have been in the chatroom that evening. I would love to have gotten Mr. Harris to comment on Rushdoony’s ecclesiology and the “House Church” movement that’s so prominent in many Kinist families at the moment.
Given what he’s said here, I don’t think he’d be willing to endorse it at all. He might see them as tiny spheres of autonomous authority.
Or maybe, (as in my case), when there is no legitimate church meeting anywhere nearby, the Father of a family might have authority to lead his family in worship and sacraments?
Also, I’ve been struggling with certain ecclesiastical issues – given what he’s laid out here, my ideal of “church *as* state” would be incorrect; Tim has laid out the two as very different institutions. I’d love to have heard him expound on their relationship. (If a particular body of Christians make up both the church and the state, then in what sense are there different institutions? And even if we can make a distinction, should we?)
An analogy would be a four-person family – a mom, dad, and two kids. Supposing they homeschool, then someone might claim there is a distinction between the school as an institution and the family as an institution, but the one is part of the other; they’re the same entity, in my view.
Anyway, this was a great episode and I hope TT has Tim Harris on again to address the Church.
I would like to listen to this but it says the file is corrupt.
Roger, I tested it and it seems fine. Are you right-clicking the Download link and saving it to your hard drive? Let me know if your problem persists.